Cory Booker: Americans should be 'thrown in jail' if they won't give up their guns

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Cory Booker: Americans should be 'thrown in jail' if they won't give up
their guns
by John Gage
| May 06, 2019 01:31 PM

Cory Booker said he backs legislation that would get Americans “thrown
in jail” for owning "assault weapons" if they do not hand them over in a
buyback program in which they would be sold to the government.

Booker, a senator for New Jersey and 2020 presidential hopeful, said
that incarceration would be an option after a “reasonable period"
following the buyback offer.

“Again, we should have a law that bans these weapons, and we should have
a reasonable period in which people can turn in these weapons. Right now
we have a nation that allows in streets and communities like mine these
weapons that should not exist,” Booker said on CNN on Monday.

Booker’s statement was in response to a question asked by CNN's Poppy
Harlow about his gun control proposals. “Senator Booker, before you go,
one final question on your gun proposal since you just released it this
morning: Your competitor in the 2020 race, Congressman Eric Swalwell has
also, like you, proposed an assault weapons ban,” Harlow said.

“He's proposing a buyback program where Americans who currently have
those guns could sell them essentially to the government, but if they
don't, within a certain period of time, they would be prosecuted ...
thrown in jail, perhaps. Are you supportive of the same?”

[ Opinion: Cory Booker wants to regulate guns like cars — except when he
doesn't]

Booker, 50, responded affirmatively that the law would be enforced with
criminal sanctions after a “reasonable period." He had said earlier:
"The critical thing is, I think most Americans agree, that these weapons
of war should not be on our streets."

Earlier in the day, Booker unveiled a 14-part gun control plan, which
included a ban on assault weapons including high capacity magazines.

“The biggest thing in the proposal is a national gun licensing program,
which would force Americans to apply for 5-year gun licenses before
obtaining a firearm. The process would include fingerprinting, an
interview, gun safety courses, and a federal background check,” Booker
said in a statement announcing the proposal.

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Cory Booker: Americans should be 'thrown in jail' if they won't give up
their guns
by John Gage
 | May 06, 2019 01:31 PM
Cory Booker said he backs legislation that would get Americans “thrown
in jail” for owning "assault weapons" if they do not hand them over in a
buyback program in which they would be sold to the government.
Booker, a senator for New Jersey and 2020 presidential hopeful, said
that incarceration would be an option after a “reasonable period"
following the buyback offer.
“Again, we should have a law that bans these weapons, and we should have
a reasonable period in which people can turn in these weapons. Right now
we have a nation that allows in streets and communities like mine these
weapons that should not exist,” Booker said on CNN on Monday.
Booker’s statement was in response to a question asked by CNN's Poppy
Harlow about his gun control proposals. “Senator Booker, before you go,
one final question on your gun proposal since you just released it this
morning: Your competitor in the 2020 race, Congressman Eric Swalwell has
also, like you, proposed an assault weapons ban,” Harlow said.
“He's proposing a buyback program where Americans who currently have
those guns could sell them essentially to the government, but if they
don't, within a certain period of time, they would be prosecuted ...
thrown in jail, perhaps. Are you supportive of the same?”
[ Opinion: Cory Booker wants to regulate guns like cars — except when he
doesn't]
Booker, 50, responded affirmatively that the law would be enforced with
"The critical thing is, I think most Americans agree, that these weapons
of war should not be on our streets."
Earlier in the day, Booker unveiled a 14-part gun control plan, which
included a ban on assault weapons including high capacity magazines.
“The biggest thing in the proposal is a national gun licensing program,
which would force Americans to apply for 5-year gun licenses before
obtaining a firearm. The process would include fingerprinting, an
interview, gun safety courses, and a federal background check,” Booker
said in a statement announcing the proposal.

Next up: A national speech licensing program, which would force
Americans to apply for 5-year speech licenses before criticizing
the government when Democrats are in control. The process would
include fingerprinting, an interview, defamation and copyright
infringement courses, and a federal background check.

[The Milk of Human Kindness]

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Cory Booker: Americans should be 'thrown in jail' if they won't give up
their guns

Misquote.

Booker said that gun laws should be enforced with criminal penalties.

Essentially, we should register all gun sales federally and allow the
states to decide what their gun laws will be and how best to enforce
them. Unregistered guns can be picked up as they surface... and they
will sooner or later.

[Al Czervik]

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Cory Booker: Americans should be 'thrown in jail' if they won't give up
their guns

Misquote.
Booker said that gun laws should be enforced with criminal penalties.

And when they refuse to register their weapons or comply in any way?

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On Fri, 10 May 2019 06:03:38 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Al Czervik

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Cory Booker: Americans should be 'thrown in jail' if they won't give up
their guns

Misquote.
Booker said that gun laws should be enforced with criminal penalties.

And when they refuse to register their weapons or comply in any way?
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Try refusing to register your vehicle and let us know how it works out
for you.

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On Fri, 10 May 2019 06:03:38 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Al Czervik

Post by Al Czervik

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness

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Cory Booker: Americans should be 'thrown in jail' if they won't give up
their guns

Misquote.
Booker said that gun laws should be enforced with criminal penalties.

And when they refuse to register their weapons or comply in any way?
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Try refusing to register your vehicle and let us know how
it works out for you.

You're trotting out the tiresome "treat guns like cars" analogy.
You don't register race cars and farm tractors, for example.
As long as you don't operate your vehicle on a public road,
it works out just fine. If cars are your analogy, that means
you don't register your gun unless you will be operating it
on a public road. So are you saying I should be able to get
a permit to operate guns on public roads?

[The Milk of Human Kindness]

On Fri, 10 May 2019 14:19:52 -0600, in talk.politics.guns Just

Post by Just Wondering
You're trotting out the tiresome "treat guns like cars" analogy.
You don't register race cars and farm tractors, for example.
As long as you don't operate your vehicle on a public road,
it works out just fine. If cars are your analogy, that means
you don't register your gun unless you will be operating it
on a public road. So are you saying I should be able to get
a permit to operate guns on public roads?

No, not really... although, one does hear that a lot. If a person
refuses to comply with *any* law, the end result is usually jail... at
some point. Heck, you have to register your dog... what's so
star-spangled special about gun laws? You register your boat if you
have one. One can go on and on, but there's nothing special about a
gun is what I'm saying.

Ultimately, I think we'll probably move to registration of guns
because the mass shootings are accelerating rapidly. People who don't
do so can keep their gun at home and nobody will ever know... that's
fine. If the gun leaves your home, it'll have to be registered.

Once we get UBC and registration, let the states decide what gun laws
work best for each one. E.g.: Wyoming's gun laws don't have to be the
same as New Jersey's as long as I can't drive across a state line and
side-step the law.

[Just Wondering]

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Fri, 10 May 2019 14:19:52 -0600, in talk.politics.guns Just

Post by Just Wondering
You're trotting out the tiresome "treat guns like cars" analogy.
You don't register race cars and farm tractors, for example.
As long as you don't operate your vehicle on a public road,
it works out just fine. If cars are your analogy, that means
you don't register your gun unless you will be operating it
on a public road. So are you saying I should be able to get
a permit to operate guns on public roads?

No, not really... although, one does hear that a lot. If a person
refuses to comply with *any* law, the end result is usually jail... at
some point.

Only if the law imposes criminal penalties. There are all
sorts of laws that you don't go to jail for violating.

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
Heck, you have to register your dog...

No you don't.

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
You register your boat if you have one.

Depends on your state and what kind of boat it is and where you use
it, but often that's a "no" too.

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
what's so star-spangled special about gun laws? One can go
on and on,

As I'm sure you will at some point.

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
but there's nothing special about a gun is what I'm saying.

You don't have a constitutionally protected right to own
a dog, or a boat. You DO have a constitutionally protected
right to own a gun. That's kind of special.

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
Ultimately, I think we'll probably move to registration of
guns because the mass shootings are accelerating rapidly.

There is no logical nexus between gun registration and
mass shootings. There is no evidence that a universal
gun registration law would have any effect on mass shootings.

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
People who don't do so can keep their gun at home
and nobody will ever know... that's fine.
If the gun leaves your home, it'll have to be registered.

Do you want civil disobedience on an unprecedented scale? Because
that's how you get unprecedented civil disobedience.

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
Once we get UBC and registration,

THAT will never happen.

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
let the states decide what gun laws work best for each one.
E.g.: Wyoming's gun laws don't have to be the same as
New Jersey's as long as I can't drive across a state line
and side-step the law.

That's some strong weed you're smoking. I hope you're
living where they don't go after heavy users like you.

[The Milk of Human Kindness]

References: 2amBE.86251$***@fx01.iad

Well, we have developed the myth that something like ten cryptic words
buried in the constitution create a human right... this gets repeated
and repeated; when people hear it often enough, they begin to believe
it. This is what we must change. Our national behavior will follow.

First of all, a constitutional document does not create any brand new
human rights that did not exist long before it was written. If you
survey constitutions, you tend to find the same set of human rights
recognized across most countries. You do not find the "right to a
gun" in any of them.

It doesn't exist in the US, either; in 1788, the debate centered on
slavery. The ten-word phrase in the second amendment protected the
slave-holders' "rights" to maintain a rapid response force to put down
slave uprisings. (BTW, this is why it opens with the phrase: "a well
regulated militia".) If it were a right, an individual could have a
gun without being a legal resident; if it were a right, it could not
be removed. (See the human rights recognized by the fifth amendment
for examples.)

You see, a human right has to exist... then (and only then) does the
constitutional document *recognize* the right; it does not create a
new right. I can show you examples of everything in the first and
fifth amendments in many governing documents. (We like to believe ours
were the first, but they weren't.)

Second, nobody really knows why Madison wove 27 perfectly good English
words into such an unintelligible mess. The general historical
interpretation is that he was trying to satisfy the Virginian slave
interests without alienating the northern states by codifying slavery
into the constitution. If you think there's any sort of agreement on
what it says, then why don't we rewrite it without the "militia"
phrase and change "right of the people" to "individual human right"?
(Nevah hoppon, GI!)

[Al Czervik]

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
Well, we have developed the myth that something like ten cryptic words
buried in the constitution create a human right... this gets repeated
and repeated; when people hear it often enough, they begin to believe
it. This is what we must change. Our national behavior will follow.
First of all, a constitutional document does not create any brand new
human rights that did not exist long before it was written. If you
survey constitutions, you tend to find the same set of human rights
recognized across most countries. You do not find the "right to a
gun" in any of them.

It's important to delineate between inalienable and alienable rights and
what it means when a right is endowed by a government or Creator. We
don't see the right life in the Constitution for a good reason although
it is a very important right.

The right to defend your self is inalienable. The right to bear arms is not.

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On Sat, 11 May 2019 09:13:08 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Al Czervik

Post by Al Czervik
It's important to delineate between inalienable and alienable rights and
what it means when a right is endowed by a government or Creator. We
don't see the right life in the Constitution for a good reason although
it is a very important right.
The right to defend your self is inalienable. The right to bear arms is not.

The term "inalienable" doesn't exist anymore. Essentially, it's
archaic. Today, we'd usually say "indelible"; however, I'd let you
use them interchangeably if you'll warn me in advance.

Can you find an example of the founders using the term: "alienable
right"? I just did a deep search and *I* cannot find one. I also
note that the second amendment uses neither term... thus, yet again,
we lack a clue what that sentence actually means. (Scalia, in his
near-death, geriatric, dementia thought it had multiple clauses;
however, that's simply impossible because it has but a single verb.)

[Just Wondering]

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Sat, 11 May 2019 09:13:08 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Al Czervik

Post by Al Czervik
It's important to delineate between inalienable and alienable rights and
what it means when a right is endowed by a government or Creator. We
don't see the right life in the Constitution for a good reason although
it is a very important right.
The right to defend your self is inalienable. The right to bear arms is not.

The term "inalienable" doesn't exist anymore. Essentially, it's
archaic. Today, we'd usually say "indelible"; however, I'd let you
use them interchangeably if you'll warn me in advance.
Can you find an example of the founders using the term: "alienable
right"? I just did a deep search and *I* cannot find one. I also
note that the second amendment uses neither term... thus, yet again,
we lack a clue what that sentence actually means. (Scalia, in his
near-death, geriatric, dementia thought it had multiple clauses;
however, that's simply impossible because it has but a single verb.)

Meanwhile, what Scalia wrote in D.C. vs. Heller has the force of
law, while your disjointed ramblings have no force at all.

[The Milk of Human Kindness]

On Sat, 11 May 2019 13:32:58 -0600, in talk.politics.guns Just

Post by Just Wondering
Meanwhile, what Scalia wrote in D.C. vs. Heller has the force of
law, while your disjointed ramblings have no force at all.

Yes, that's true; so does the Wade decision. So did Plessy for the
better part of a century.

We need many more than nine SCOTUS justices and *that* matter is open
to act of congress. I'm thinking 27 might be a good number that
wouldn't be so susceptible to the political wind of the moment. The
constitution never says anything about how many justices we will have.

[Just Wondering]

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Sat, 11 May 2019 13:32:58 -0600, in talk.politics.guns Just

Post by Just Wondering
Meanwhile, what Scalia wrote in D.C. vs. Heller has the force of
law, while your disjointed ramblings have no force at all.

Yes, that's true; so does the Wade decision. So did Plessy for the
better part of a century.
We need many more than nine SCOTUS justices and *that* matter is open
to act of congress. I'm thinking 27 might be a good number that
wouldn't be so susceptible to the political wind of the moment. The
constitution never says anything about how many justices we will have.

"Yes, that's true"; so you agree your disjointed ramblings have
no force at all. So why do you keep making them?

[The Milk of Human Kindness]

On Sat, 11 May 2019 15:44:05 -0600, in talk.politics.guns Just

Post by Just Wondering
"Yes, that's true"; so you agree your disjointed ramblings have
no force at all. So why do you keep making them?

Well, Scalia thought that the second amendment had multiple clauses
and it clearly has only one. He was obviously geriatric and near
death.

[Just Wondering]

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness

Post by Just Wondering
"Yes, that's true"; so you agree your disjointed ramblings have
no force at all. So why do you keep making them?

Well, Scalia thought that the second amendment had multiple clauses
and it clearly has only one. He was obviously geriatric and near
death.

Well, we have already established that your ramblings
have no force at all. This is one of them.

[Al Czervik]

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Sat, 11 May 2019 13:32:58 -0600, in talk.politics.guns Just

Post by Just Wondering
Meanwhile, what Scalia wrote in D.C. vs. Heller has the force of
law, while your disjointed ramblings have no force at all.

Yes, that's true; so does the Wade decision. So did Plessy for the
better part of a century.
We need many more than nine SCOTUS justices and *that* matter is open
to act of congress. I'm thinking 27 might be a good number...

Trump nominating 18 new justices. That would change things.



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On Sat, 11 May 2019 19:56:02 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Al Czervik

Post by Al Czervik
Trump nominating 18 new justices. That would change things.

The whole idea would be to remove political affiliation from SCOTUS.

[Just Wondering]

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness

Post by Al Czervik
Trump nominating 18 new justices. That would change things.

The whole idea would be to remove political affiliation from SCOTUS.

Now you're just trolling. If "political affiliation" in
SCOTUS is a thing, it would exist regardless of the number
of justices.

[The Milk of Human Kindness]

On Sun, 12 May 2019 03:07:00 -0600, in talk.politics.guns Just

Post by Just Wondering
Now you're just trolling. If "political affiliation" in
SCOTUS is a thing, it would exist regardless of the number
of justices.

Well, consider an ouija board. If I'm the only one at the seance,
then it's like sending text. When two people are involved, it gets
more difficult (or so I'm told... I have zero experience with ouija
boards). Now, if you had 27 people, I would guess that no single
person would be able to exert undue influence.

The far right has pretty well managed to hijack the court.

[Al Czervik]

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Sat, 11 May 2019 09:13:08 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Al Czervik

Post by Al Czervik
It's important to delineate between inalienable and alienable rights and
what it means when a right is endowed by a government or Creator. We
don't see the right life in the Constitution for a good reason although
it is a very important right.
The right to defend your self is inalienable. The right to bear arms is not.

The term "inalienable" doesn't exist anymore. Essentially, it's
archaic. Today, we'd usually say "indelible"; however, I'd let you
use them interchangeably if you'll warn me in advance.

Socialists may not use "inalienable" anymore because of the the origin
of those rights is antithetical to the sought after Venezuelan style
outcome.

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On Sat, 11 May 2019 19:51:08 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Al Czervik

Post by Al Czervik
Socialists may not use "inalienable" anymore because of the the origin
of those rights is antithetical to the sought after Venezuelan style
outcome.

Can you find an example of the word's use where the writer wasn't
quoting the declaration of independence? (... or the silly sci-fi
flick of that name.)

I don't think anybody actually uses it anymore. I'm not even sure it
would be a word had it not been used in the DOI.

[Just Wondering]

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Sat, 11 May 2019 19:51:08 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Al Czervik

Post by Al Czervik
Socialists may not use "inalienable" anymore because of the the origin
of those rights is antithetical to the sought after Venezuelan style
outcome.

Can you find an example of the word's use where the writer wasn't
quoting the declaration of independence? (... or the silly sci-fi
flick of that name.)
I don't think anybody actually uses it anymore. I'm not even sure it would be a word had it not been used in the DOI.

It's used often enough in the law. For example, real property
rights can be inalienable, as may be some spousal inheritance
rights. BTW "inalienable" and "unalienable" may be used
interchangeably.

[The Milk of Human Kindness]

On Sun, 12 May 2019 03:04:15 -0600, in talk.politics.guns Just

Post by Just Wondering
It's used often enough in the law. For example, real property
rights can be inalienable, as may be some spousal inheritance
rights. BTW "inalienable" and "unalienable" may be used
interchangeably.

If you say so. If I cared, I'd ask for a citation, but you needn't
fool with it because I don't.

[Just Wondering]

Post by Al Czervik

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
Well, we have developed the myth that something like ten cryptic words
buried in the constitution create a human right... this gets repeated
and repeated; when people hear it often enough, they begin to believe
it.  This is what we must change.  Our national behavior will follow.
First of all, a constitutional document does not create any brand new
human rights that did not exist long before it was written.  If you
survey constitutions, you tend to find the same set of human rights
recognized across most countries.  You do not find the "right to a
gun" in any of them.

It's important to delineate between inalienable and alienable rights and
what it means when a right is endowed by a government or Creator. We
don't see the right life in the Constitution for a good reason although
it is a very important right.
The right to defend your self is inalienable. The right to bear arms is not.

The right to defend yourself is a corollary of
the right to life.

The right to bear arms in this age is a corollary
of the right to defend yourself.

It's hypocritical to say you can defend yourself, but
you can't have the tools needed to defend yourself.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sat, 11 May 2019 09:33:43 -0500, The Milk of Human Kindness

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
Well, we have developed the myth that something like ten cryptic words
buried in the constitution create a human right..

Only idiots believe the Constitution creates rights, and----

Oh.

It's YOU, Jones.

Never mind.

[Al Czervik]

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Fri, 10 May 2019 14:19:52 -0600, in talk.politics.guns Just

Post by Just Wondering
You're trotting out the tiresome "treat guns like cars" analogy.
You don't register race cars and farm tractors, for example.
As long as you don't operate your vehicle on a public road,
it works out just fine.  If cars are your analogy, that means
you don't register your gun unless you will be operating it
on a public road. So are you saying I should be able to get
a permit to operate guns on public roads?

No, not really... although, one does hear that a lot.  If a person
refuses to comply with *any* law, the end result is usually jail... at
some point.

Only if the law imposes criminal penalties.  There are all
sorts of laws that you don't go to jail for violating.

So you believe that the government is going to say, "Well... He didn't
register his weapons, he didn't pay his fines for not registering his
weapons and when we came over for a visit he still said 'no' so I guess
there is nothing we can do."


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Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Fri, 10 May 2019 14:19:52 -0600, in talk.politics.guns Just

Post by Just Wondering
You're trotting out the tiresome "treat guns like cars" analogy.
You don't register race cars and farm tractors, for example.
As long as you don't operate your vehicle on a public road,
it works out just fine.  If cars are your analogy, that means
you don't register your gun unless you will be operating it
on a public road. So are you saying I should be able to get
a permit to operate guns on public roads?

No, not really... although, one does hear that a lot.  If a person
refuses to comply with *any* law, the end result is usually jail... at
some point.

Only if the law imposes criminal penalties.  There are all
sorts of laws that you don't go to jail for violating.

So you believe that the government is going to say, "Well... He didn't
register his weapons, he didn't pay his fines for not registering his
weapons and when we came over for a visit he still said 'no' so I guess
there is nothing we can do."

We believe that the United States Supreme Court already said
in Haynes vs. United States, "We hold that a proper claim of
the constitutional privilege against self-incrimination provides
a full defense to prosecutions either for failure to register a
firearm under 5841 or for possession of an unregistered firearm
under 5851."
In other words, in almost every case, the Fifth Amendment makes
the government unable to prosecute someone for not registering
a firearm.. That means what you wrote as sarcasm is literally true.

[The Milk of Human Kindness]

On Fri, 10 May 2019 15:37:02 -0600, in talk.politics.guns Just

Post by Just Wondering
Only if the law imposes criminal penalties. There are all
sorts of laws that you don't go to jail for violating.

The only one I can think of offhand was the local law in Kennesaw,
Georgia dating from '82 (and still on the books) that says that "every
head of household residing in the city limits is required to maintain
a firearm"; however, no penalty for non-compliance is specified... if
it doesn't have a penalty, it's not really a law.

I can think of a couple that require "community service" if you
violate them... if you refuse to do that, you finally end up in
contempt of something or other... and ultimately end up in jail. I
suppose they could fine you and slap a lien on your property.

No jail = no law.

[Avenging Angel]

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Fri, 10 May 2019 14:19:52 -0600, in talk.politics.guns Just

Post by Just Wondering
You're trotting out the tiresome "treat guns like cars" analogy.
You don't register race cars and farm tractors, for example.
As long as you don't operate your vehicle on a public road,
it works out just fine. If cars are your analogy, that means
you don't register your gun unless you will be operating it
on a public road. So are you saying I should be able to get
a permit to operate guns on public roads?

No, not really... although, one does hear that a lot. If a person
refuses to comply with *any* law, the end result is usually jail... at
some point. Heck, you have to register your dog... what's so
star-spangled special about gun laws? You register your boat if you
have one. One can go on and on, but there's nothing special about a
gun is what I'm saying.

Frankly I think most of that is intrusive and overstepping thier
authority. For the most part they are minor inconveniences.

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
Ultimately, I think we'll probably move to registration of guns
because the mass shootings are accelerating rapidly. People who don't
do so can keep their gun at home and nobody will ever know... that's
fine. If the gun leaves your home, it'll have to be registered.

It didn't work in Canada, did it? I rather think such a move by a clearly
out of control government with a corrupt law enforcement apparatus and
attacking a clearly enumerated Constitutional and natural right would not
elicit the sheep like response you think it would. I think rather the
poor jackasses that have to enforce it would have greatly reduced life
spans and thier families would be in danger. All members of the Party
that tried this would be targetd, down to the dog catcher.

And the politicians that did it? How long do you think they'd survive?

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
Once we get UBC and registration, let the states decide what gun laws
work best for each one. E.g.: Wyoming's gun laws don't have to be the
same as New Jersey's as long as I can't drive across a state line and
side-step the law.

You will never have UBC or total registration. Period. Or if you pass
such a law, you and it won't last long. Sheriffs are already refusing to
follow state laws and enforce them in thier counties. Maybe they know
something you don't.

[The Milk of Human Kindness]

References: ***@144.76.35.198

What, exactly, "didn't work in Canada"? If I were a young person, I'd
move to Canada because I believe I'd have a more secure future.

As it is, I don't want to pay Canadian tax on my retirement income.

[Just Wondering]

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
What, exactly, "didn't work in Canada"?

Gun registration. Canada tried it, but it didn't work.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/01/22/canada-tried-registering-long-guns-and-gave-up/#67d444625a1b

[The Milk of Human Kindness]

On Sat, 11 May 2019 13:18:23 -0600, in talk.politics.guns Just

Post by Just Wondering
Gun registration. Canada tried it, but it didn't work.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/01/22/canada-tried-registering-long-guns-and-gave-up/#67d444625a1b

OK.

But, then... Canada never really had a problem, though. (Ever hear of
a "lock down drill" in Canada?) Why would they GAF about registering
guns if their people aren't walking into their schools and
slaughtering the kids? Canadian teachers don't *need* to be armed.

Neither do Bolivian teachers, you know... only US teachers.

[Just Wondering]

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Sat, 11 May 2019 13:18:23 -0600, in talk.politics.guns Just

Post by Just Wondering
Gun registration. Canada tried it, but it didn't work.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/01/22/canada-tried-registering-long-guns-and-gave-up/#67d444625a1b

OK.
But, then... Canada never really had a problem, though. (Ever hear of
a "lock down drill" in Canada?) Why would they GAF about registering
guns if their people aren't walking into their schools and
slaughtering the kids? Canadian teachers don't *need* to be armed.
Neither do Bolivian teachers, you know... only US teachers.

Not to minimize the problem, but it's overblown.
But the discussion is about gun control methods in general
and mandatory registration in particular. Various US states
have also tried registration. They found the same lack of
success as Canada, and for the same reason - massive civil
disobedience to the gun control laws, and in some cases law
enforcement outright public refusal to enforce what they
correctly see as unconstitutional legislation.

[The Milk of Human Kindness]

On Sat, 11 May 2019 19:26:05 -0600, in talk.politics.guns Just

Post by Just Wondering
Not to minimize the problem, but it's overblown.
But the discussion is about gun control methods in general
and mandatory registration in particular. Various US states
have also tried registration. They found the same lack of
success as Canada, and for the same reason - massive civil
disobedience to the gun control laws, and in some cases law
enforcement outright public refusal to enforce what they
correctly see as unconstitutional legislation.

Nonsense.

It's mechanically simple: universal background checks and register at
that time. When a gun changes hands, it gets registered. Yeah, if
it's in the family, it's under the radar. If you buy it or sell it,
it's now registered.

One way to enforce it is the Swiss method: you can't buy ammunition
unless you have that gun registered.

It'll take decades, but it took us decades to get here. By mid
century, most will be registered. I won't be here, though.

What we won't do is go door to door. That's silly. All we have to do
is wait... they'll surface.

[Just Wondering]

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness

Post by Just Wondering
Not to minimize the problem, but it's overblown.
But the discussion is about gun control methods in general
and mandatory registration in particular. Various US states
have also tried registration. They found the same lack of
success as Canada, and for the same reason - massive civil
disobedience to the gun control laws, and in some cases law
enforcement outright public refusal to enforce what they
correctly see as unconstitutional legislation.

Everything that follows is

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
Nonsense.
It's mechanically simple: universal background checks and register at
that time. When a gun changes hands, it gets registered. Yeah, if
it's in the family, it's under the radar. If you buy it or sell it,
it's now registered.
One way to enforce it is the Swiss method: you can't buy ammunition
unless you have that gun registered.
It'll take decades, but it took us decades to get here. By mid
century, most will be registered. I won't be here, though.
What we won't do is go door to door. That's silly. All we have to do
is wait... they'll surface.

[Avenging Angel]

Post by Just Wondering

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Sat, 11 May 2019 13:18:23 -0600, in talk.politics.guns Just

Post by Just Wondering
Gun registration. Canada tried it, but it didn't work.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/01/22/canada-tried-reg
istering-long-guns-and-gave-up/#67d444625a1b

OK.
But, then... Canada never really had a problem, though. (Ever hear
of a "lock down drill" in Canada?) Why would they GAF about
registering guns if their people aren't walking into their schools
and slaughtering the kids? Canadian teachers don't *need* to be
armed. Neither do Bolivian teachers, you know... only US teachers.

Not to minimize the problem, but it's overblown.
But the discussion is about gun control methods in general
and mandatory registration in particular. Various US states
have also tried registration. They found the same lack of
success as Canada, and for the same reason - massive civil
disobedience to the gun control laws, and in some cases law
enforcement outright public refusal to enforce what they
correctly see as unconstitutional legislation.

And also they didn't want to get killed enforcing an unConstitutional
law.

At Nuremburg it was determined that "I was only following orders" was not
a defense.

[The Milk of Human Kindness]

On Sun, 12 May 2019 13:06:20 -0000 (UTC), in talk.politics.guns

Post by Avenging Angel
And also they didn't want to get killed enforcing an unConstitutional
law.

Contrary to popular belief among gun loons, law enforcement is not
your friend... as a rule. Those people took an oath to uphold the law
and, by and large, they will do so and always have.

That said, they'd prefer not to shoot it out with you in your living
room with your family in the line of fire. If you choose not to
register your gun, then don't. If it stays in your home, fine. If
you carry, sooner or later you'll be carded and your gun will be
picked up... so will you. It might be ten years down the road, but
it'll happen.

Heck, I'd just cite you and let you go for later. They can pick you
up when you renew your driver's license... or go to the county to pay
your property tax. Basically, they don't want you to immolate your
family so they'll try to take you someplace safe... law enforcement
does *not* like TV pictures of your burning children!

[Avenging Angel]

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
What, exactly, "didn't work in Canada"? If I were a young person, I'd

Are you fucking kidding me? You are talking with zero fact background.

Canada tried "gun registration".

It went an order of magnitude over budget.
It did not help solve one crime.
There was massive civil disobediance, I don't think that even halfof the
eligible gus were registered.

So maybe when touting a solution one should see if it's been tried
anywhere else and if it's worked.

The single most telling fact is - the Canadians cancelled it.

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
move to Canada because I believe I'd have a more secure future.
As it is, I don't want to pay Canadian tax on my retirement income.

What does it matter what you're taxed if your future is secure.

This is the problem with lefties. You have lost the ability to reason.

[The Milk of Human Kindness]

On Sun, 12 May 2019 13:01:19 -0000 (UTC), in talk.politics.guns

Post by Avenging Angel
Canada tried "gun registration".

Why would Canada register guns? Does Canada have a gun problem
anything even remotely close to the one in the US?

Do Canadian schools have to conduct "Lock down drills"? Do they feel
a need to arm teachers?

How many mass school shootings has Canada seen?

The Canadian gun homicide rate is less than a twenty-fifth of the US
rate... unless you include suicides. Then it's less than a tenth.

It wasn't that registration failed in Canada; their gun homicide rate
was already so low that they couldn't measure any change. If we get
half way to where they are, I'd call whatever we did a success.

[Avenging Angel]

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Fri, 10 May 2019 06:03:38 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Al Czervik

Post by Al Czervik

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Thu, 9 May 2019 15:35:52 -0700, in talk.politics.guns a425couple

Post by a425couple
from
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cory-booker-americans-should
-be-thrown-in-jail-if-they-wont-give-up-their-guns
(Who says they don't intend to confiscate our guns??
How many LEOs are looking forward to that duty?)
Cory Booker: Americans should be 'thrown in jail' if they won't
give up their guns

Misquote.
Booker said that gun laws should be enforced with criminal
penalties.

And when they refuse to register their weapons or comply in any way?
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How well did gun registration work in Canada where the people are more
like sheep then Wolverines?

[Frank]

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Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Fri, 10 May 2019 06:03:38 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Al Czervik

Post by Al Czervik

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Thu, 9 May 2019 15:35:52 -0700, in talk.politics.guns a425couple

Post by a425couple
from
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cory-booker-americans-should
-be-thrown-in-jail-if-they-wont-give-up-their-guns
(Who says they don't intend to confiscate our guns??
How many LEOs are looking forward to that duty?)
Cory Booker: Americans should be 'thrown in jail' if they won't
give up their guns

Misquote.
Booker said that gun laws should be enforced with criminal
penalties.

And when they refuse to register their weapons or comply in any way?
---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
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Try refusing to register your vehicle and let us know how it works out
for you.

How well did gun registration work in Canada where the people are more
like sheep then Wolverines?

Take a look at the new gun laws being proposed by the Democrats in
Delaware. They control the state too.

One law would require nearly fulfilling the requirements to get a
concealed carry permit just to be able to buy a gun.

[Avenging Angel]

Post by Frank

Post by Avenging Angel

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Fri, 10 May 2019 06:03:38 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Al Czervik

Post by Al Czervik

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Thu, 9 May 2019 15:35:52 -0700, in talk.politics.guns a425couple

Post by a425couple
from
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cory-booker-americans-

should

Post by Frank

Post by Avenging Angel

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness

Post by Al Czervik

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness

Post by a425couple
-be-thrown-in-jail-if-they-wont-give-up-their-guns
(Who says they don't intend to confiscate our guns??
How many LEOs are looking forward to that duty?)
Cory Booker: Americans should be 'thrown in jail' if they won't
give up their guns

Misquote.
Booker said that gun laws should be enforced with criminal
penalties.

And when they refuse to register their weapons or comply in any way?
---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
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Try refusing to register your vehicle and let us know how it works out
for you.

How well did gun registration work in Canada where the people are more
like sheep then Wolverines?

Take a look at the new gun laws being proposed by the Democrats in
Delaware. They control the state too.
One law would require nearly fulfilling the requirements to get a
concealed carry permit just to be able to buy a gun.

The Democrats as a whole need to go. By any menas necessary.

[Frank]

Post by a425couple

Post by Frank

Post by Avenging Angel

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Fri, 10 May 2019 06:03:38 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Al Czervik

Post by Al Czervik

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Thu, 9 May 2019 15:35:52 -0700, in talk.politics.guns a425couple

Post by a425couple
from
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cory-booker-americans-

should

Post by Frank

Post by Avenging Angel

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness

Post by Al Czervik

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness

Post by a425couple
-be-thrown-in-jail-if-they-wont-give-up-their-guns
(Who says they don't intend to confiscate our guns??
How many LEOs are looking forward to that duty?)
Cory Booker: Americans should be 'thrown in jail' if they won't
give up their guns

Misquote.
Booker said that gun laws should be enforced with criminal penalties.

And when they refuse to register their weapons or comply in any way?
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Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
for you.

How well did gun registration work in Canada where the people are more
like sheep then Wolverines?

Take a look at the new gun laws being proposed by the Democrats in
Delaware. They control the state too.
One law would require nearly fulfilling the requirements to get a
concealed carry permit just to be able to buy a gun.

The Democrats as a whole need to go. By any menas necessary.

I had meant to post the local paper's url but NRA sums them up here:

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20190410/delaware-multiple-gun-control-bills-introduced-in-the-general-assembly

Democrats do not need to go but should get back to their roots as the
party of the working man. Most Democrat voters are under the delusion
that they still are that party.

The senator that proposed the right to buy law unfortunately is in my
district and she also wants to take away our school referendum voting
rights and let the schools tax as they think they need to.

She is today's Democrat and needs to go.

[Avenging Angel]

Post by Frank

Post by a425couple

Post by Frank

Post by Avenging Angel

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Fri, 10 May 2019 06:03:38 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Al

Post by Al Czervik

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Thu, 9 May 2019 15:35:52 -0700, in talk.politics.guns

Post by a425couple
from
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cory-booker-americans-

should

Post by Frank

Post by Avenging Angel

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness

Post by Al Czervik

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness

Post by a425couple
-be-thrown-in-jail-if-they-wont-give-up-their-guns
(Who says they don't intend to confiscate our guns??
How many LEOs are looking forward to that duty?)
Cory Booker: Americans should be 'thrown in jail' if they won't
give up their guns

Misquote.
Booker said that gun laws should be enforced with criminal penalties.

And when they refuse to register their weapons or comply in any way?
---
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Post by Avenging Angel

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
for you.

How well did gun registration work in Canada where the people are
more like sheep then Wolverines?

Take a look at the new gun laws being proposed by the Democrats in
Delaware. They control the state too.
One law would require nearly fulfilling the requirements to get a
concealed carry permit just to be able to buy a gun.

The Democrats as a whole need to go. By any menas necessary.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20190410/delaware-multiple-gun-control-
bills-introduced-in-the-general-assembly
Democrats do not need to go but should get back to their roots as the
party of the working man. Most Democrat voters are under the delusion
that they still are that party.
The senator that proposed the right to buy law unfortunately is in my
district and she also wants to take away our school referendum voting
rights and let the schools tax as they think they need to.
She is today's Democrat and needs to go.

Democrats are irredeemable. They are mad or evil and I don't care which.
You put down a rabid dog even if you love dogs. You simply recognize they
are a clear and present danger.

[Frank]

Post by Avenging Angel

Post by Frank

Post by a425couple

Post by Frank

Post by Avenging Angel

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Fri, 10 May 2019 06:03:38 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Al

Post by Al Czervik

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Thu, 9 May 2019 15:35:52 -0700, in talk.politics.guns

Post by a425couple
from
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cory-booker-americans-

should

Post by Frank

Post by Avenging Angel

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness

Post by Al Czervik

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness

Post by a425couple
-be-thrown-in-jail-if-they-wont-give-up-their-guns
(Who says they don't intend to confiscate our guns??
How many LEOs are looking forward to that duty?)
Cory Booker: Americans should be 'thrown in jail' if they won't
give up their guns

Misquote.
Booker said that gun laws should be enforced with criminal penalties.

And when they refuse to register their weapons or comply in any way?
---
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Post by Avenging Angel

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
for you.

How well did gun registration work in Canada where the people are
more like sheep then Wolverines?

Take a look at the new gun laws being proposed by the Democrats in
Delaware. They control the state too.
One law would require nearly fulfilling the requirements to get a
concealed carry permit just to be able to buy a gun.

The Democrats as a whole need to go. By any menas necessary.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20190410/delaware-multiple-gun-control-
bills-introduced-in-the-general-assembly
Democrats do not need to go but should get back to their roots as the
party of the working man. Most Democrat voters are under the delusion
that they still are that party.
The senator that proposed the right to buy law unfortunately is in my
district and she also wants to take away our school referendum voting
rights and let the schools tax as they think they need to.
She is today's Democrat and needs to go.

Democrats are irredeemable. They are mad or evil and I don't care which.
You put down a rabid dog even if you love dogs. You simply recognize they
are a clear and present danger.

Most of their leaders need to go but we need a good two party system to
keep things on balance.

[Just Wondering]

Post by Avenging Angel

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Fri, 10 May 2019 06:03:38 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Al Czervik

Post by Al Czervik

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Thu, 9 May 2019 15:35:52 -0700, in talk.politics.guns a425couple

Post by a425couple
from
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cory-booker-americans-should
-be-thrown-in-jail-if-they-wont-give-up-their-guns
(Who says they don't intend to confiscate our guns??
How many LEOs are looking forward to that duty?)
Cory Booker: Americans should be 'thrown in jail' if they won't
give up their guns

Misquote.
Booker said that gun laws should be enforced with criminal
penalties.

And when they refuse to register their weapons or comply in any way?
---
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How well did gun registration work in Canada where the people are more
like sheep then Wolverines?

In the USA we already have this:
"We hold that a proper claim of the constitutional privilege
against self-incrimination provides a full defense to
prosecutions either for failure to register a firearm under
5841 or for possession of an unregistered firearm under 5851."
Haynes v. United States, 390 U.S. 85 (1968)

[tesla sTinker]

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Fri, 10 May 2019 06:03:38 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Al Czervik

Post by Al Czervik

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Thu, 9 May 2019 15:35:52 -0700, in talk.politics.guns a425couple

Post by a425couple
from
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(Who says they don't intend to confiscate our guns??
How many LEOs are looking forward to that duty?)
Cory Booker: Americans should be 'thrown in jail' if they won't give up
their guns

Misquote.
Booker said that gun laws should be enforced with criminal penalties.

And when they refuse to register their weapons or comply in any way?
---
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your an idiot, many people do not register what they drive anymore.
And that is because of the communism that this government has imposed
upon the people. With chinese cars full of break me switches. Do you
really think, they dont have a brain? and that, they wont stand up for
what is right? They have removed the Bible from the courtrooms, and you
think, they are going to comply with this whole pile of horse shit
that the US government, has dished out.... You must be the biggest ass
hole in the world.

[tesla sTinker]

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Fri, 10 May 2019 06:03:38 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Al Czervik

Post by Al Czervik

Post by The Milk of Human Kindness
On Thu, 9 May 2019 15:35:52 -0700, in talk.politics.guns a425couple

Post by a425couple
from
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cory-booker-americans-should-be-thrown-in-jail-if-they-wont-give-up-their-guns
(Who says they don't intend to confiscate our guns??
How many LEOs are looking forward to that duty?)
Cory Booker: Americans should be 'thrown in jail' if they won't give up
their guns

Misquote.
Booker said that gun laws should be enforced with criminal penalties.

And when they refuse to register their weapons or comply in any way?
---
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Try refusing to register your vehicle and let us know how it works out
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your an idiot, many people do not register what they drive anymore.
And that is because of the communism that this government has imposed
upon the people. With chinese cars full of break me switches. Do you
really think, they do not have a brain? and that, they wont stand up
for what is right? They have removed the Bible from the courtrooms, and
you think, they are going to comply with this whole pile of horse shit
that the US government, has dished out.... Listening to some ass whole
judge sitting on a stand of fruitcakes. You must be the biggest ass hole
in the world. not to mention, a satanist.